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Locutus

Sun Jan 27 2013, 05:34PM

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I did not resize, or edit the picture.

Take a look at full 1:1 view.

NOISE every where. Despite of the excellent light conditions.
I tried a lot of settings, manual ISO, presets, 8-10-13mpx, but every single photo has a lot of noise.

Is this really how a 13MPX high-end device should take photos?

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I've made a thumb of the pic so that it does not mess up the forum, if you click on it you will go to the real image...

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ISO 50 and that much noise. this deserves investigating

Edit: Confirmed, noise is horrible. I don't care abouat the 13 megapixels if the picture is much worse than my old Canon Powershot 6 mpix. Noise levels seem to be worse that the old padfone.

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Ok, here are some pictures taken with the Padfones (I have both). The first one is with PF1 and the second one (the darker one) is with PF2.

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On a CCD that size, it's normal. Try the same shot on any smartphone; we've done extensive testing and co-op with Sony on the firmware. It certainly won't replace your dSLR, but it will replace a cheaper point n shoot.

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While i understand that you HAVE to say such things... thats ****. Simply.

ANY top mobile phone on the market today will give you a lot less noise on the picture.

Kostas

Mon Jan 28 2013, 08:00AM

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Sorry to high jack the thread, but since marshall appears to have inside info from asus,
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH A66 PADFONE 1?

tomski

Mon Jan 28 2013, 08:32AM

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My old Samsung Galaxy S1 takes better pictures than this...

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Kostas wrote ...

Sorry to high jack the thread, but since marshall appears to have inside info from asus,
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH A66 PADFONE 1?

Please dont high jack threads, create a new thread instead, and in the correct section please.

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Mon Jan 28 2013, 09:25AM

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Well, then is it a firmware problem? Pf1 had a similar problem once. Honestly, look at both photos and compare noise levels. They are on the same settings, and still the one taken with Pf1 has less noise, and that should be impossibl.

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C'mon guys. First of all, do not look the photo at 13 MP. Yes, it looks horrible. But why would you look at it on the full size? And if you compare to photos from other phones, compare them at the same size. And same exposure. Having 4-stop difference doesn't tell anything. The quality in web-size is quite good.

Completely different question is why the **** to make 13 MP sensor?? That doesn't make any sense.. Pics are just large but can't be used on that size anyway.

I took some test photos also which can be seen here http://padfone2testpilot.blogspot.fi/2013/01/padfone-2-camera-review.html
At full size there is noise but mostly quite obvious processing-artefacts. However, at reasonable size, which is what phone camera is IMO made for, the quality is quite ok. I would just like to say to manufacturers that go back to 5 MP sensors. 13 MP is just marketing jargon.

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Thanks for that link. I too thought 13mpix was getting a tad silly. This review added the technical argument to back my intuition.

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nihtila wrote ...

Completely different question is why the **** to make 13 MP sensor?? That doesn't make any sense.. Pics are just large but can't be used on that size anyway.

In Australia we have a phrase for it, but I daren't post it here 'cause it's a "G-rated" forum

It's all about marketing; all about "mine's bigger than yours." The same reason why people buy cars with V8 engines even though most 4-cylinder cars can easily outperform them.

Anyone who thinks they can replace a proper camera with the one in their 'phone is kidding themselves. I still have an old 1MP (yes, 1MP!) Sony camera here with Zeiss lens, and it'll easily outperform the best mobile 'phone cameras. Why? Because of the lens and the sensor size.

A large glass lens feeding light to a large image sensor will always produce a better image than a small plastic lens feeding light to a small sensor, no matter what resolution that sensor claims to have.

I won't even dare to start comparing against my 6MP Konica-Minolta DSLR!

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Bulldust wrote ...

Thanks for that link. I too thought 13mpix was getting a tad silly.

So what have we to say about Nokia's 41MP monster? I can guarantee that my 6MP DSLR will outperform it, and my 1MP Sony will give it a good run for its money.

I'm actually beginning to speculate that the release of the Nokia 808 was sponsored by SD card manufacturers - who else would possibly stand to gain from this (apart from the insecure men needing to say "mine's bigger")?

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Exactly. Megapixels should be thrown to the same place as watts in audio equipment etc. They _may_ matter in "real devices" but are used for marketing and misleading customers in low-end products.

But here we can see that this also starts to turn against the product. People are looking at the photos at their full resolution and judge the quality trash. If it would be just 3 MP photo or sth and looked at that at full-size, it would be nice. 13 MP resized to 3 MP is quite nice. Now they are comparing different sizes of images and in those huge images the pixel-size is just so small that it cannot be good on pixel-level.

I hope that even this would turn the head of manufacturers but honestly I don't think so. It's just a competition and the numbers on paper are the strongest argument.

I switched my PadFone 2 camera setting to 3 MP. I get photos not too large and the quality is ok for the purpose, without resizing. I have a proper camera for other purposes.

Edit: I agree that this Nokia camera is stupid (even though the camera was developed 1km from here

) but at least they made one good point with it: zooming by cropping the sensor. For example PadFone keeps the ridiculous 13 MP setting (if set so) even after zooming. So it ENLARGES the already-bad file.

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Tue Jan 29 2013, 12:38PM

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I notice better quality pictures when using the Camera FX APP instead the stock one.

I will try to make an example later. I think you can try camera FX for free (the app only cost 3€ anyway).

Bulldust

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Yes, 41mpix is right out!

All in all I am perfectly happy with the PF2 camera. It seems to generate similar quality pix to my ole HTC One X. For the casual snapper like me it is plenty good.

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